tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14234730.post2981577648600180580..comments2023-10-31T03:25:33.696-07:00Comments on Cassandra Says: Cassandra Sayshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07775317504418213521noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14234730.post-25944845258977520312007-05-28T20:33:00.000-07:002007-05-28T20:33:00.000-07:00The existence of "femmey" males, whether or not th...The existence of "femmey" males, whether or not they are actually gay, DOES tend to erode the cultural boundaries of maledom. Not just "traditional" maledom, but maledom altogether.<BR/><BR/>That is indeed what ambiguous boundary phenomena tend to do: erode things.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps what is happening among MRAs (and politically unconscious pre-MRAs) is that they see "femminess" (in the generality of its manifestations) to be an alien intrusion of the <I>femplex</I> upon their psychic space.<BR/><BR/>In other words, they feel <I>put upon</I>....<BR/><BR/>(Femmey men may not be "gay", but they are on an operative continuum with gayness as per Wittgenstein's theory of "family resemblance". At least in the minds of a lot of "traditional" straight men.)<BR/><BR/>Apart from that, I suspect that many of them just can't be bothered to fathom the psychology of a man who would wear eyeliner or a skirt.<BR/>It is meaningless and unaccountable to them....and their responses cover a gamut from mild annoyance to outright violence - depending on certain parameters.Fidelbogenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11727779008823649682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14234730.post-19796085067915319112007-05-12T19:35:00.000-07:002007-05-12T19:35:00.000-07:00"i think what it's gonna take is some kind of sign..."i think what it's gonna take is some kind of significant cross-movement involving gay men and straight men together."<BR/><BR/>I'm all for that.Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14234730.post-63575102219884626042007-05-11T22:24:00.000-07:002007-05-11T22:24:00.000-07:00I think there are a few lib-to-leftish men floatin...I think there are a few lib-to-leftish men floating about who -would- be MRA's if the term meant anything that they weren't too embarrassed to be remotely associated with, i.e. they're interested in mens'...-stuff-, don't feel at home in feminism, aren't real jazzed about any of the other options either. i do think there's potentially something to it. but i think what it's gonna take is some kind of significant cross-movement involving gay men and straight men together.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14234730.post-77200422262944876832007-05-11T16:35:00.000-07:002007-05-11T16:35:00.000-07:00Belle - Interesting point to note. All these cross...Belle - Interesting point to note. All these crossdressing pretty boys I've been posting pics of? Straight, every last one. Well, who knows who may or may not be bi and not telling, but all of them are definitely interested in women. Throne guy has a boob fixation so obvious that people were cracking jokes about it all the way through the US tour – someone really should tell him it’s not polite to stare. The idea that femmey = gay has very little basis in reality.Cassandra Sayshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07775317504418213521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14234730.post-23774702115635488722007-05-11T16:00:00.000-07:002007-05-11T16:00:00.000-07:00Deoridhe - I've heard the same thing, and it's non...Deoridhe - I've heard the same thing, and it's nonsense. Harmful nonsense, too. Like I said, the vast majority of the femmey men I've ever met have been straight, a few have been bi. The ones who have been gay are in the minority. Have these people never met a goth? Not to mention the Japanese Visual Kei scene in which makeup and all other manner of femmey things are standard for men and pretending to be gay for the benefit of a female audience is a great way to get a record deal and make a shitload of money.<BR/><BR/>Abotu MRAs...if they would actually give some indication that they care about the wellbeing of men in general rather than just a few narrow issues I would take them a lot more seriously. Alas, such is not the case. Nor for some feminists, either.Cassandra Sayshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07775317504418213521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14234730.post-80696761706289201702007-05-11T15:55:00.000-07:002007-05-11T15:55:00.000-07:00Sally - Interesting. I'm pretty much completely no...Sally - Interesting. I'm pretty much completely non-involved with the lesbian scene here for exactly the same reasons. I don't respond well to being lectured.Cassandra Sayshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07775317504418213521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14234730.post-55662567444876026002007-05-11T15:54:00.000-07:002007-05-11T15:54:00.000-07:00Trin - That tee would have made me a little uncomf...Trin - That tee would have made me a little uncomfortable, too. Not just for the reasons you stated, but because it's defeatist in a wierd way. The problem isn't ALL men, it's some men, and the fact that not all men act that way is living proof that they don't all have to and that those who do can't use their gender as an excuse. Of course you can't put all that on a t-shirt, but still, I think the message needs some tweaking.<BR/>Also, I tend to think of a lot of the men I know as rather fragile and easily hurtable. The fact that I do tend not to hang out with the macho types may be coloring my perspective, but still, I think the way most people discuss this issue is far too simplistic.Cassandra Sayshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07775317504418213521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14234730.post-57252772366556614142007-05-11T15:48:00.000-07:002007-05-11T15:48:00.000-07:00V - I've met gay men who were unrepentant misogyni...V - I've met gay men who were unrepentant misogynists, and I've also met gay men who adored women. They're a mixed bag, really, just like most other people.Cassandra Sayshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07775317504418213521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14234730.post-18729288910871844222007-05-11T12:58:00.000-07:002007-05-11T12:58:00.000-07:00oo, I like the throne one.as per all femmey men on...oo, I like the throne one.<BR/><BR/>as per all femmey men only being gay, two words:<BR/><BR/>Joss Whedon.<BR/><BR/>the original Girlie American.<BR/><BR/>who is happily hetmarried, last i checked.<BR/><BR/>so.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14234730.post-54675632043578864272007-05-11T08:16:00.000-07:002007-05-11T08:16:00.000-07:00This is once thing that's always bugged me. I've ...This is once thing that's always bugged me. I've had genderqueer people, even, tell me that a butch woman could be straight, but a femme man had to be gay.<BR/><BR/>Had to be.<BR/><BR/>No choice, no exception, if he was femme, he was gay.<BR/><BR/>This just doesn't follow, at all, and it's marginalizing in a really horrible way.<BR/><BR/>I wish MRAs fought for the rights of all men. Of course, I wish the same for feminists. 8/Deoridhehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17235419292633778692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14234730.post-1110031988063813492007-05-11T07:49:00.000-07:002007-05-11T07:49:00.000-07:00Most of the gay men I know are simply divine. In f...Most of the gay men I know are simply divine. In fact, I actually prefer being with them as opposed to lesbians who have been judgmental and cliquish in the past- kind of like how some feminists treat other feminists while the femme boys have been nurturing, supportive, and well..sexy! Did I mention sexy yet? Yum! Thanks Cassandra!SallySunshinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17417077309361828475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14234730.post-83309684329066709802007-05-10T15:59:00.000-07:002007-05-10T15:59:00.000-07:00Yes, yes, yes.I probably shouldn't say this lest I...Yes, yes, yes.<BR/><BR/>I probably shouldn't say this lest I lose however many Feminist Citizen Points I actually have remaining to me.<BR/><BR/>But. I remember the last time TBTN rolled around, and the shirts that read "stop gender violence,"<BR/><BR/>and even though I know understand and agree that most rapes are perpetuated by men on women I just kept thinking of how much I love femme bottoms, and just kept wondering: how much less likely are they to get raped than me, really? particularly if the rednecks knew how I do them?<BR/><BR/>yeah.<BR/><BR/>it... worries me to a degree the Orthodox would Not Like, No Precious.Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14234730.post-64619052650365934392007-05-10T11:32:00.000-07:002007-05-10T11:32:00.000-07:00Hee. MMRA's. That rules.I will say, though, that...Hee. MMRA's. That rules.<BR/><BR/>I will say, though, that some of the most obnoxious misogynists I've <I>ever</I> come across were gay men.Veronicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17219976185183048440noreply@blogger.com